In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. PHARAOH AND HAMAN - 21:2, NIV).2 Saul did this in his zeal for Israel and Judah. So for nationalistic reasons Saul was guilty of attempted genocide. By this time, Moses had died and was buried. Joshua 9:3-6 But when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done to Jericho and Ai, they worked craftily [remember that], and went and pretended to be ambassadors. David did not make any counter demands. DECEPTION AND COST He is beyond us; it does not make any sense. God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. Saul became a bit strange in the head after this, if you will remember. WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. 2Samuel 21:1, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death.. That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. For many today, this time period is ancient history. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. . Think of it as if it were today. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." What might he have done? he put the Gibeonites to death. Community answers are sorted based on votes. This is like offering them reparations for what Saul had done, and they replied that it was not good enough. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. Saul, after having disqualified The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. This is very, very important for this vignette in King David's life. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Nevertheless, he names a few of them. And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. It is in II Samuel 21. He says that He visits the iniquity upon them. Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. He just let them walk all over him. He tried to come up with a compromise, and that was basically, "Whatever you want, you can have." . King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. Evidently, that is what he did. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. It does not matter. Luke 21:36 "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.". Most people living in modern, Western culture better identify with flawed heroes, rather than perfect heroes. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. Then, I am sure, he started to think about other things that were happening, and he started to make some reforms in himself. How much food did Jesus produce? If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. II Samuel 21:8-9 So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. Saul committed a great crime against Gibeon and the Gibeonites. WebAnd the Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for the famine, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 (The Gibeonites were not Israelites. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. God only let the rain cycle start again. He asked me, "How does this incident square with what God says in Ezekiel 18:19-20?". 'Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses [another layer that comes in]; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. In their poverty and slavery the bowed but ever proud Gibeonites refused financial and other forms of compensation for the attempted genocide on their tribe. In effect, what they wanted to do was hang the bodies of Saul's family in Saul's hometown in sight of Jerusalem. And she did not allow the birds of the air to rest on them by day nor the beasts of the field by night. It does not seem so. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. ", God answered immediately, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. So, others besides Saul were guilty. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. If we were reading this quickly, and not really thinking about it, and not understanding God's own character, we might think that this says that God allows the guilt of sin to pass down three or four generations. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. 5. The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. Later, during a wasting famine, David, attempting a political rather than a righteous solution, yielded to the Gibeonites' request that descendants of Saul be hanged to avenge the slaughter. ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. Things were going wrong. Whatever the case, it is very plain to me that he did not pay enough attention to this matter of the famine and drought, and the Gibeonites. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. It was not just Saul, but other members of his family. Saul killed a lot of people. Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. I do not know. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". But they refused the offer. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. There is a very important difference. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. Then, pray for all you are worth so that your relationship with God and Jesus Christ is strong when the famine hits. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. How many wars were fought? Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. Another thing that God said to do was not done. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. It is not there in the Scriptures. There were no conditions. All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. My reading between the lines concludes that King David was at a spiritual low point at this time. He was not thinking spiritually. It says that they were Saul's sons. Notice verse 2 says that Saul tried to strike them down in his zeal (also means jealously or envy) for the people of Israel and Judah. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - It is not the sin of Adam and Eve; it is their own sin. There should have been payment for it. God sent the rain, it says specifically, "from heaven," verse 10, "in the latter rains," which is their normal cycle. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. But, the others were Saul's grandsons. And David sought the face of the Lord. Once again, God's anointed was compelled to humble himself and his nation before a delegation of these servile Gibeonites. David asked. "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." With a careful reading and a bit of thought, you will begin to raise some questions. Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty -two years over Israel. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. The young lions lack and suffer hunger; but those who seek the LORD shall not lack any good thing. He was setting us an example of what we should be doing in a spiritual sense. We have to understand that the people of the land represent the things we need to overcomeour human nature and our problems; the world and its pulls to its ways; and Satan and all the ways that he tries to manipulate us. By deluding himself that he could solve any problem; by presuming that the end justifies the means; by deliberately countermanding clear and specific orders from the Most High God; Saul not only failed to remove an evil people from the land, he also guaranteed the ultimate destruction of his own family. However, that is not the case. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. There was a covenant with those people that not only Joshua and the people honored, but also God Himself honored as well. Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. Instead, the Gibeonites demanded the execution of seven of Saul's sons. God tells us that, spiritually, we have to go and wipe them out. You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. (Matthew 14:1921). Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. He is able to judge justly. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. Their representatives were not up front with the Israeli leaders. 1316). Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. Nearly two-thirds of American professing Christians believe that their Savior sinned. And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. Also David seems to have only spared Mephibosheth only because he made an oath, and not for the fact that he was only five years old and did not participate in killing the Gibeonites? And the LORD answered, It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, Why were genealogies so important to Israel? So they performed all that the king commanded. And those two are questionable. So the famine continued for another half a year. We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) When God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, lea Webzeal of king Saul - who was a Benjaminite - against the Gibeonites. 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